Why wind? And why Berkeley Vale? October 23rd, 2009 by EcotricityWindDevelopmentTeam

Quite a few people have been speculating on how and why we select certain sites for wind parks. As luck would have it, the Ecotricity Wind Development Team has been working on a number of slides that not only show the selection process, but also examine progress (or more accurately, the lack of progress) towards the regional South West Renewable Energy targets for 2020. Let’s have a look at the targets and progress first…


Sources of information:
HMGovernment.
The UK Low carbon Transition Plan – National strategy for climate and energy July 2009

HMGovernment.
UK Renewable Energy Strategy July 2009

Generation Targets for 2020.
Submitted by: Centre for Sustainable Energy, Peter Capener, Wardell Armstrong International June 2005

Survey of renewable electricity and heat projects in South West England
regensw June 2009

Jargon:
Installed GW – this is the capacity of the installed renewable energy.
GW – Gigawatt. 1 Gigawatt = 1,000 Megawatts
Biomass + W + AD – Biomass, Wood & Anaerobic digestion.
AONB – Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty

It will come as no surprise to most people that our county (Glos) is way off the mark, as far as hitting its 2010 targets. This also would imply that if every county were as bad at meeting targets as we are, the nation will also fail to meet its obligations… and if every country did the same, then the world will fail also. Act locally, think globally as they say.

Stroud5050 is a campaign that recognises the value of ‘glocal‘ thinking and action. Every county across the UK needs to find suitable sites for renewable energy projects, and there are a lot of considerations. Choosing a site to build on is not a simple process though… there are a number of factors that have to be thought through before even applying for planning permission is considered, including:

• Is the average wind speed sufficient?
• Is the site in an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty?
• Is the site designated as being nationally or internationally important for wildlife?
• Housing density?
• Will there be an objection from civil aviation or MOD radar operator?
• Is there a risk of interference with fixed radio/phone links?
• Is there nearby connection to the national grid?
• What is access by road like – good or poor? Can we actually get turbines onto the site?

Here’s how we overlaid all these factors onto Stroud District to identify the potential sites for a new wind park (based on current data and constraints).

As you can see – there really wasn’t much in the way of choices, and it certainly isn’t an arbitrary process.

We hope these slides show how and why Berkeley Vale site was chosen. And we hope you will also understand the urgency of wind development in Gloucestershire – to deliver our county’s share of the national and global CO2 reduction targets we all are responsible for.

We are totally committed to doing our part towards achieving Gloucestershire’s renewable energy target for 2010, 2020 and beyond – we need you to do yours, too.

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23 Responses to “Why wind? And why Berkeley Vale?”

  1. David Hunt - October 23, 2009 at 8:16 pm 50% of local electricity generated renewably, sustainably, efficiently and economically is a great goal. But 50% generated by wind turbines is outrageous and the idea should be rejected. The destruction to landscape, wildlife and natural beauty MIGHT be a price worth paying if wind-generated electricity were efficient and good value. But it is neither. It's not available 24/7, is terribly inefficient and the most expensive of all the generating choices. To supply the country you'd have virtually to cover it in these machines, or fill and damage much of our surrounding seas. This is what the science says in B+W. I am extremely 'green' and support all wise green changes. Wind farms are not green, other countries way 'ahead' of us are not reaping the promised rewards. We in the UK can, fortunately, avoid the same mistakes, avoid these ghastly eyesores and focus our money and brains on green solutions that are efficient, kind to the environment, sustainable and cost-effective. The entire wind farm movement is about the pursuit of money. It is greed that once again threatens our beautiful, irreplaceable landscape and our future energy supplies. We have no right so to destroy our inherited environment - we are supposed to be protecting it for future generations - simply for a very few to make money. There is no scientific or economic argument for wind farms and this idea for 8 Salisbury Spires at Stinchcombe, and another 8 elsewhere, is therefore a waste of time and money. I would like to see Stroud district going for 100% renewable electricity but wind turbines are not the answer from whatever angle I try to look at it.

    As for finding the voting form pre-ticked for me to say yes……well, I think that just neatly sums up what and whom we are dealing with here. I very much doubt even if 100% vote against that it will make any difference……this train is rolling because it is driven by money and vested interests. It says on the site “The power to choose for Stroud” and then they tick the yes box for us, how kind of them. That kind of approach would make me want to vote against even if I were in favour. The Labour government promised us the power to choose over the European Constitution and then when they realized how we would choose they withdrew that offer. We will see the same happening here.

    One final point – why Ecotricty? Has this been put to open tender? I don’t know the answer, but it does seem convenient that a local company has the contract……..perhaps it did beat off loads of stiff competition.
    • MW - October 26, 2009 at 4:03 pm I assume you can tell us what the price of coal, oil and gas are going to be in 2, 5, 10 and more years time?

      Levelized Cost of New Electricity Generating Technologies 2030 Wind has no variable fuel costs, and as such the price of wind electricity will be stable as the price of fossil fuels continue to rise.

      At current projections the UK will be importing 80% of our energy requirements by 2020.


      Britain to rely on imports for half winter gas - The Times

      Other renewable energy resources like biogas and hydro have the benefit of being limited but controlable, by using a combination of solar, wind, pumped storage and biogas a consistent output can be achieved.
    • Simba - October 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm If i'm not mistaken, when you 'click to vote' you are taken to a page with two radio buttons (which by their very nature have to have one selected). Nothing subversive there.

      Your comparisons between Labour/Ecotricity and their actions beggars belief, as does the fact you seem to have ignored the original blog post regarding how Ecotricity avoid "The destruction to landscape, wildlife and natural beauty" when selecting a site.
      • SP - October 27, 2009 at 9:54 pm Simba makes the point that one button has to be pre-selected, but this only because of the particular radio button format chosen - other formats could have been used where both were empty, or, Ecotricty could have pre-selected no. It wouldn't fit their desired result, but it's just as valid a choice for pre-selection.

        These kind of marketing surveys are actually as valid as "8 out of 10 cats prefer...", but unfortunately most people will believe it if it's a Yes result, and I can't imagine that we'll hear anymore about it if it isn't yes. Although maybe it will be like the EU and the Lisbon treaty and they will just keep asking.
    • Alex Alliston - October 28, 2009 at 9:26 pm I am struggling to understand where David Hunt is going to find his “green solutions that are efficient, kind to the environment, sustainable and cost-effective” and are not wind turbines. Let’s compare the approximate cost in pence per kWh for traditional and renewable energy generation:

      Coal – 5.2
      Gas – 4.2
      Nuclear – 3.2
      Wind (onshore) – 5.0
      Wind (offshore) – 7.0
      Tidal – 12.0
      Hydroelectric – 8.2
      Geothermal – 17.3
      Solar – 22.5

      The conclusion seems fairly clear: onshore wind turbines are the most cost effective renewable energy solution. Contrary to Mr. Hunt’s assertions they are not inefficient – the definition of efficiency is the ratio of what you get out to what you put in, hence a wind turbine is infinitely efficient as the wind is free! Perhaps Mr. Hunt is referring to the fact that a wind turbine will only generate when the wind is blowing, which is obviously the case. However, this is already taken into account in the calculations and such fluctuations are easily accommodated by our existing grid system.

      Mr. Hunt says that we should be protecting our “inherited environment” for future generations. This is exactly what we would do by building wind turbines – structures that do no inherent damage to the local environment: you can even take them down in 20 years and return the landscape to its previous state if our “money and brains” have devised more effective green solutions by then.
    • Neil Chandler - November 7, 2009 at 8:33 pm Ghastly eyesores?? Turbines? Nah. You can always look in the other direction with those. You can avoid them. What you can't avoid is the open face coal mines and the coal fired power plants. They're the real blot. Thankfully you have none in the West Country and I bet you don't want any either?
      Imagine your washing has to be done twice or three times because it keeps getting soot blown onto it from the coke works over 6 miles away. Imagine your house is on an estate built from clearing a coal depot to one side... so again you get the soot on your clothes and have to walk through the reserve to get to school? It's very easy for some people to bury their heads in the sand, take the "gerroff moi land!" stance when it comes to putting up these turbines but at the end of the day... and the beginning and the middle.... we need these. And solar. And the hydro barrage on the Severn. Everything helps and everything will have to play it's part.
      I'd be very interested in hearing from the people of Nympsfield on their view. They have the turbine on their doorstep and have it's electricity serving their community. It's been there at least the 8 years I've been living here.
      What have they taken from this, from having the most visible and recognisable turbine in the Stroud District? Do they love it? Do they feel it blots their view? Have house prices gone down there more than in other non-turbine areas? Or does the thought of having sustainable energy supplied actually promote house sales?
      One final point... I don't care if it's Ecotricity, French-owned EDF or British Gas. So long as it's someone. It's certainly not the government. I haven't heard anything to promote green leccy. I have to go looking for what grants etc are available myself... and as keen as I am I bet I won't be able to do a thing because someone will object.
      • Neil Chandler - November 7, 2009 at 9:57 pm Almost forgot....


        ...try this site for some more urban turbines that don't have to have huge towers

        http://www.quietrevolution.co.uk/qr5.htm
  2. Simon Hedges (YIMBY) - October 24, 2009 at 10:16 am David Hunt said "50% generated by wind turbines is outrageous and the idea should be rejected." I have no idea if it's totally outrageous or not. But in the case of this particular turbine, I'm very much in favour - and I wish there were more such turbines in Gloucestershire. I live in Churchdown, and would love to see one atop Chosen Hill: in small numbers these turbines are not eyesores but grace notes. And presumably Ecotricity are proposing the turbine because Ecotricity wanted to propose it: not everything in this country is as goverenment controlled as Mr Hunt would like to believe.

    It's one turbine, Mr Hunt, not armageddon.
  3. K Millard - October 26, 2009 at 8:08 pm Why should we tolerate wind turbines in AONB when even the government’s chief scientific adviser on climate change has calculated that renewable energy sources such as wind and tidal power will never provide more than a fraction of Britain’s electricity needs.

    One of our largest operators of wind power, E.ON UK, has pointed out to the House of Lords Select Committee on Economic Affairs that for every 1 megawatt of wind capacity, 0.9 MW or more of conventional plant will be needed as back up capacity. So a no brainer then!
    So where will the back up power come from?
    In the short term, it will need fast start diesel generators, that will create more CO2 than any wind turbine will ever save.

    If locating wind farms in areas of outstanding natural beauty (AONB) becomes the norm, then I shall join the ranks of people who will actively campaign against them being located anywhere.
  4. K Millard - October 26, 2009 at 8:04 pm If councilors allow the planners to permit the construction of inefficient wind turbines in areas of outstanding natural beauty, contrary to all objections, (permission has been granted for a new mast at Nympsfield as a precursor to a wind turbine), then its time to vote out the councilors at the next election.
  5. LS - October 27, 2009 at 1:37 pm David Hunt: "Why Ecotricty? Has this been put to open tender? It does seem convenient that a local company has the contract…"

    There is no contract and your implied "this is a bit suspect" is somewhat insulting to them as a company. It's a business who will pay for the consultation, planning, land, construction and maintenance. Therefore there doesn't need to be a "tender" process as there's no government funding towards them.

    With regards building turbines in general there are a LOT more ruinous blots on the countryside I've lived in all my life than these structures.

    Ugly box housing estates (Kingsway) and unsympathetic business parks (Oldends Lane) built on green spaces are far more detrimental to the fabric of our countryside than these.

    Ultimately it comes down to aesthetics for the vast majority of people - some like them some don't. Personally, I do and always have as they are one of the few modern man made structures to enahance a landscape.

    To K Millard: "permission has been granted for a new mast at Nympsfield as a precursor to a wind turbine". No it isn't. It's a test mast for a new technology, not a precursor to a turbine. Read the news article or speak to the company involved to get the correct facts.
  6. SP - October 27, 2009 at 7:00 pm Well said - local democracy is what we need to enable the people affetced to control local planning issues. if the majority of those affected want to have a huge industrial develkopment or a nuclear power station - then why not? the flip side is that if local democracy doens't give business the answer it wants, then business must accept it and move on, rather than endlessly abusing the appeal system trying to get the result that fits the buinsess expansion plan as required by the financiers.
    • Pauleco - October 28, 2009 at 10:31 am Hello 'SP',

      Thanks for your recent comments on the Stroud5050 blog.

      Unfortunately two of them do not adhere to our blog guidelines and will not be published.

      In this post we discuss that Ad Hom (and potentially libellous) comments are not acceptable, and we also ask that any factual/science statements are backed up with sources at least.

      I tried to email you directly to discuss these comments and how they might be rephrased to meet the guidelines, but the address you supplied is not valid.

      Best regards
      Paul
  7. Mike Jones - October 28, 2009 at 10:13 am I'm excited by the proposal for a wind farm in Berkeley Vale. And I'd be happy to have turbines close to Stroud town. Wind is very much part of the mix we need going forward - it's not an either/or but rather both/and. One factor that might ease the process of building greater public support could be some sort of levy on wind-energy generators such as the Aggregates Levy that applies in parts of the country where money is channelled back to local communities as part of extraction agreements. Where my sister lives (Middleton-by-Wirksworth, they have rec'd funding for a recreation park and play facilities as part of the Derbyshire Aggregates Levy Grant Scheme. Such an approach helps create community engagement and support. I'm delighted that Ecotricity have launched the 5050 campaign as it provides a simple way for people to express their support for wind generated energy.
  8. Neil Chandler - October 29, 2009 at 8:53 pm I'm a relative newcomer to the South West having only lived in Stroud for 8 years. Prior to that I lived in and around the big cities in the North East - Newcastle and Sunderland. Just outside of Sunderland is a wind farm of around 10 with another 4 maybe half and hour or less away. It's an industrialised town so there's no green belt to spoil in the place where they've put the 10. However in Stroud unless you put the wind turbines in the town centre, everything else is pretty much rural. So my point being is that at some point someone's view from their window is going to be spoiled or enhanced depending on your viewpoint on how nice they look. We can't hide away from this. It's either wind turbines or the scarier truth that there's no landscape left to spoil. As we search for coal and gas do we not then end up digging up what used to be green belt because we've 'struck gold'? Any renewable resource scheme is going to upset someone at some time - but to do nothing other than rape the planet of all it has is going to leave us with nothing. And Mr Hunt is quite wrong. Wind is 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's just it's strength that varies. The sun however is only at it's longest of around 15-16 hours in the summer. For those on a 'not on my doorstep' opinion, rather than say "tough" to them, I'd say "well done for wanting to keep your countryside beautiful". Unfortunately I can't say that. It is tough. Lots of tough decisions ahead to get this done. We haven't any choice in the matter because if we leave it all and bury our heads then there's no point in continuing. No need to plan your summer holiday - you won't be able to leave this country because the CO2 emissions on planes will be taxed to the hilt. No need to plan for your retirement and your golden years. Your retirement money will go on your gas and electricity bills from coal because your government will pressurise suppliers to make coal unattractive and therefore the costs will go up and up. And definitely no point in wondering what your grandchildren will be up to. They'll be trying to do what other generations couldn't be bothered to do. I'm not an eco warrier. I'm as guilty as the next man of my waste due to ignorance. But we know now what they didn't know in the industrial revolution - and still didn't know in the 1980's. The planet can't support us any longer. We're running out of time - plain and simple.

    The worst offenders though - America and China, are going to continue to 'offset' their carbon emissions onto other non-polluting countries. So in a way we have to be twice as tough. And with that, I flick the switch on my laptop battery as it's charged up now.
    • Xena - November 2, 2009 at 10:17 am Neil Chandler - what an incredibly well thought out comment, and very insightful.
      Not least, it's the truth, from an unbiased perspective.
      Thank you.
      (Now you just need to submit that on the council planning website!)
      • Neil Chandler - November 6, 2009 at 10:18 am Hi Xena, I would if I could pick out the correct section of their website. I'm sure I'll have an opportunity at some point. In the meantime thanks for the support.
  9. Peter Pannier - November 18, 2009 at 12:02 pm I wonder where those arguing that Wind is inefficient or doesn't work for some reason are getting their information. Not from Spain, obviously. Spain has much less of a wind resource than us by the way (we have 40% of Europe's wind resource), but they still managed to get over 50% of their NATIONAL energy from wind recently. I'm sure we could do this for Stroud District and the UK, if we engage with those who oppose wind and make as much effort as the anti lobby to explain the real facts, as opposed to the bizarre climate sceptic and aesthetic hatred based opinions and half-truths that get bandied around. Personally, I love looking at the Nympsfield Turbine, it seems quiet too, and it's certainly a hell of a lot more aesthetically pleasing that the Coal-fired power stations I've seen (Drax, Racliffe-on-Soar, Didcot), and even more so than the Open Cast coal mine at Mrythr Tydfil. I'd like to see the anti's explain their aestheica objections to the poor sods in Merthyr who have to put up with a vision of hell on earth as a result.

    But anyway, I urge antis to read the article below... 50% of energy from clean wind sound like a fanciful notion? Not at all - established fact:

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    • fifi black - November 19, 2009 at 7:04 pm This was for a total of 5 hours when Spain happened to have a day with very high winds. What's their annual average?
    • John Thorpe - November 22, 2009 at 12:27 am Aesthetically pleasing? How do you work that out? Please compare apples with apples!
      A medium sized coal fired power station produces around 900MW of power. Because wind turbines are only 30% efficient taken as an average due to weather conditions as well as their way overstated output ratings in the first place it would take 2,600 turbines to replace that one power station.
      Which would YOU rather have nearby? You can hide a Drax type station behind a hill but for that many turbines you can kiss goodbye to the entire Cotswolds!
      Funding has now been granted to build carbon capture stations on top of coal fields in Yorkshire. The coal is brought out of the ground, washed, and fed straight into the furnaces. It will provide thousands of jobs, solid dependable energy, plans have been drawn up to pipe the CO2 back under the North Sea to fill up the depleated oil fields (and push the last oil out), oh and there is enough of the stuff to power the UK in entirety without importing any foreign gas, coal or oil for 400 years. That should give us enough time to develop proper alternative supplies of base load power without littering the countryside with bird shredders!
      Bit more thought, bit less romanticism eh?
  10. Neil Chandler - November 18, 2009 at 1:37 pm There are wind farms, and then there are wind farms! The Cornish countryside has been transformed with their wind farms and some would say there's too many of them and that they blot the once beautiful landscape.

    In Britain, with it being a smallish island, the distance between wind turbines and housing is going to be smaller than, say, America.

    But on the positive side, because we're doing something about it NOW and because we have less of a population than most American states, we won't need as many windfarms as they do.

    So for those who think that 8 wind turbines in Berkeley Vale will look horrible, or those who feel blighted down in Cornwall, spare a thought to people in America who have to view this scene every day...

    http://www.vatransformer.com/images/wind_farm.jpg
  11. Neil Chandler - December 17, 2009 at 6:32 pm Just one from 1000 voices. It's nice to be heard.